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	<title>Comments on: Cedar Avenue Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) Vehicle</title>
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		<title>By: Dakota County Wasting Tons of Money on Transit Station &#124; Bill Roehl</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-9658</link>
		<dc:creator>Dakota County Wasting Tons of Money on Transit Station &#124; Bill Roehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Apparently counties are having problems deciding how they should spend tax money collected from the quarter-cent transit tax increase. However, according to this article over at Thisweek Live, Dakota County doesn&#8217;t seem to included in that as they are planning to blow through the proposed funds with projects that will center around developments of the Cedar Ave transit corridor. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apparently counties are having problems deciding how they should spend tax money collected from the quarter-cent transit tax increase. However, according to this article over at Thisweek Live, Dakota County doesn&#8217;t seem to included in that as they are planning to blow through the proposed funds with projects that will center around developments of the Cedar Ave transit corridor. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Can&#8217;t Talk Now Dude, Vacation is Chasing Me! &#124; Bill Roehl</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6894</link>
		<dc:creator>Can&#8217;t Talk Now Dude, Vacation is Chasing Me! &#124; Bill Roehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Even though I covered the BRT last week, and several weeks before, the Star Tribune finally got around to a boring and pointless little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Even though I covered the BRT last week, and several weeks before, the Star Tribune finally got around to a boring and pointless little [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6667</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the reply from Sam and while the plans are still being developed by the MVTA, the plans are to continue express service downtown and run the BRT in addition to it.  Whew, we're safe.

But I really wonder what the need is for this type of service.  Is there a big eniugh demand for service to the MOA as regularly as this route will provide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the reply from Sam and while the plans are still being developed by the MVTA, the plans are to continue express service downtown and run the BRT in addition to it.  Whew, we&#8217;re safe.</p>
<p>But I really wonder what the need is for this type of service.  Is there a big eniugh demand for service to the MOA as regularly as this route will provide?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn't able to make it the BRT vehicle display on Wednesday, but I am waiting to hear back from MVTA on the preliminary scheduling of BRT.  My understanding is that Dakota County is managing the design and construction of service improvements along Cedar Avenue and that MVTA is in charge of BRT scheduling.

I agree that BRT would be pointless without express service.  However, if LRT were ever extended to Dakota County via Cedar Avenue (assuming that a new bridge is constructed), LRT transit between downtown Minneapolis and Apple Valley would approximate a BRT trip between MOA and AV with a connection to LRT at MOA.  (I know that many people want Hiawatha to be extended down Cedar.  No matter what, it would be slower than express bus service.)

While I have no authority regarding any service changes, a couple improvements constructed under the UPA suggest that MVTA will continue to provide express service for commuters.  First, a "transit advantage" lane will be constructed from NB 77 to WB 62, which will allow express buses to avoid the God-awful cloverleaf at the 77/62 interchange.  Second, the MVTA, in its BRT publications, discuss the construction and design of dual-bus lanes on Marquette and 2nd Avenue in downtown Minneapolis.  With respect to these two service improvements, why would MVTA mention these improvements if MVTA were only to offer service as far north as MOA?

My thinking is that express bus service will be expanded both to park-and-ride lots and to Cedar Avenue station stops (e.g., 147th Street Station), and that service between MOA and the south suburbs will be expanded, with MOA serving as a transit hub for bus/rail connections.  Just like if you ever miss the 477 out of downtown, you can take LRT to MOA and pick up the 442 to the Apple Valley Transit Station, it appears that BRT would provide improved service between MOA and AV.

If my initial thoughts are wrong, then I do not see this as a huge improvement when you consider that there are already all-day routes that run from the south suburbs to MOA.  BRT should cater to the needs of the daily commuter as much as it should cater to transit-dependent riders (typically, local routes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t able to make it the BRT vehicle display on Wednesday, but I am waiting to hear back from MVTA on the preliminary scheduling of BRT.  My understanding is that Dakota County is managing the design and construction of service improvements along Cedar Avenue and that MVTA is in charge of BRT scheduling.</p>
<p>I agree that BRT would be pointless without express service.  However, if LRT were ever extended to Dakota County via Cedar Avenue (assuming that a new bridge is constructed), LRT transit between downtown Minneapolis and Apple Valley would approximate a BRT trip between MOA and AV with a connection to LRT at MOA.  (I know that many people want Hiawatha to be extended down Cedar.  No matter what, it would be slower than express bus service.)</p>
<p>While I have no authority regarding any service changes, a couple improvements constructed under the UPA suggest that MVTA will continue to provide express service for commuters.  First, a &#8220;transit advantage&#8221; lane will be constructed from NB 77 to WB 62, which will allow express buses to avoid the God-awful cloverleaf at the 77/62 interchange.  Second, the MVTA, in its BRT publications, discuss the construction and design of dual-bus lanes on Marquette and 2nd Avenue in downtown Minneapolis.  With respect to these two service improvements, why would MVTA mention these improvements if MVTA were only to offer service as far north as MOA?</p>
<p>My thinking is that express bus service will be expanded both to park-and-ride lots and to Cedar Avenue station stops (e.g., 147th Street Station), and that service between MOA and the south suburbs will be expanded, with MOA serving as a transit hub for bus/rail connections.  Just like if you ever miss the 477 out of downtown, you can take LRT to MOA and pick up the 442 to the Apple Valley Transit Station, it appears that BRT would provide improved service between MOA and AV.</p>
<p>If my initial thoughts are wrong, then I do not see this as a huge improvement when you consider that there are already all-day routes that run from the south suburbs to MOA.  BRT should cater to the needs of the daily commuter as much as it should cater to transit-dependent riders (typically, local routes).</p>
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		<title>By: MSPD</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6631</link>
		<dc:creator>MSPD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but where are the bike racks?</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6625</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I haven't heard from Sam O'Connell, I did see &lt;a href="http://www.twincities.com/dakota/ci_9903402" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; article in the Pioneer Press which is a fluff piece about the $135 million project.

In the article it refers to how much "faster" the BRT option will be and that beginning "in 2010, the Minnesota Valley Transit Authority will launch a fleet of 10 hybrid buses to carry Cedar Avenue commuters 16 miles from Lakeville to the Mall of America in Bloomington."

I'm still waiting to hear if this stupid fucking plan (which will definitely double transit time to Minneapolis) will replace the 477 routes or if it will just be another option in addition to them.  Unfortunately, with all the road work that this project will require, I have a feeling that MVTA and Dakota County and really planning on replacing the much more time efficient 477 route.

Assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I haven&#8217;t heard from Sam O&#8217;Connell, I did see <a href="http://www.twincities.com/dakota/ci_9903402">this</a> article in the Pioneer Press which is a fluff piece about the $135 million project.</p>
<p>In the article it refers to how much &#8220;faster&#8221; the BRT option will be and that beginning &#8220;in 2010, the Minnesota Valley Transit Authority will launch a fleet of 10 hybrid buses to carry Cedar Avenue commuters 16 miles from Lakeville to the Mall of America in Bloomington.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting to hear if this stupid fucking plan (which will definitely double transit time to Minneapolis) will replace the 477 routes or if it will just be another option in addition to them.  Unfortunately, with all the road work that this project will require, I have a feeling that MVTA and Dakota County and really planning on replacing the much more time efficient 477 route.</p>
<p>Assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: MSPD</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6624</link>
		<dc:creator>MSPD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are the bike racks?</description>
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		<title>By: Tasha</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6620</link>
		<dc:creator>Tasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bill!!</description>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6619</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though it's only a tangent in this post, thanks for noting that the 28th Avenue ramp will open on the 23rd. I usually take the train at least 4x times per week and apparently missed the windshield announcement. The new ramp will hopefully make the commute at least a little less frustrating if I don't have to stop and wait at the obnoxiously timed light at Killebrew and Old Shakopee/24th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though it&#8217;s only a tangent in this post, thanks for noting that the 28th Avenue ramp will open on the 23rd. I usually take the train at least 4x times per week and apparently missed the windshield announcement. The new ramp will hopefully make the commute at least a little less frustrating if I don&#8217;t have to stop and wait at the obnoxiously timed light at Killebrew and Old Shakopee/24th.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.lazylightning.org/cedar-avenue-bus-rapid-transit-brt-vehicle#comment-6618</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tasha,

I have an e-mail in to Sam O'Connell and will post any updates as soon as I hear.  If I don't get a response from him in the next few hours, I'll give him a call before the end of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tasha,</p>
<p>I have an e-mail in to Sam O&#8217;Connell and will post any updates as soon as I hear.  If I don&#8217;t get a response from him in the next few hours, I&#8217;ll give him a call before the end of the day.</p>
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