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According to this blurb in the Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal, Hurricane Grill & Wings, a Florida sports-bar chain, is intending to open 17 locations in Minnesota beginning in early 2013.
However, according to other reports, the Hurricane Grill & Wings isn’t limiting its new growth to Minnesota. Instead the current 44 locations already open in 6 states will expand to a mind-blowing 233. However unrealistic this may seem to the layperson, Hurricane’s new president, Martin O’Dowd, who previously presided over Famous Dave’s as their Chief Executive seems convinced a massive expansion is just what the chain needs.
Mr. O’Dowd was interviewed and talked about their rapid growth and how it has worked so far with 11 new restaurants opening on top of only 29 which were already up and running. However with 28 Buffalo Wild Wings locations already in open in Minnesota and their growth knowing no bounds, how likely is it that this very similar restaurant chain going through a massive expansion will be able to survive in an already crowded market with a local (even though it started in Ohio) leader already entrenched? Even though Florida has 35 Hurricane locations and 29 BW3s, with a state population 3.5x the size of Minnesota with many more metro areas than we have here and the fact it’s a far more popular tourist destination the number of restaurants able to compete is obviously going to be much higher there than here.
What do you think about rapid and massive expansions such as this one? With other famous failures such as Krispy Kreme and the very rapid decline of Burger Time‘s metro expansion do you think that adding nearly 200 stores in less than two year’s time will spell disaster for Hurricane Grill & Wings or do you think that with an experienced leader at the helm they’ll be able to pull it off? Do you see this as serious competition for Buffalo Wild Wings in Minnesota or do you think BW3′s well known stores will be able to hold off the storm? Whatever you have to say about this one go ahead and comment on as I’d love to hear your thoughts.
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October 20th, 2011 at 7:14 am
Rapid growth like this is very very difficult for a company to pull off, as Kripy Kreme demonstrated. Going into new markets is tough, you have survivie the “first blush” as folks get to know your business and deicede if they’re coming back for a second trip. Krispy Kreme attempted to do so in a market that was already dead, donuts. Look at Dunk’n- the hardly sell donuts anymore, all about coffee and pastries..
The distraction to their company will be significant, however there is an argument to be made that the “Sports bar” market, at least around here is underserved. BWW in AV continues to be packed night after night so, maybe there’s room for a another player in the space.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Krispy Kreme is an outlier when it comes to restaurants because it had very low appeal other than in the morning, when most people if given the choice of going to KK or getting another 30 minutes of sleep, sorry dollar donuts you lose.
If you’ve ever looked into starting a franchise, or wonder why some places have tons of “new” fast food places and big box stores it’s purely based off the number of people living in the area and calculations used to figure out disposable income. When BB3′s started you could have a college campus without one, but you couldn’t find one more than a mile from an college or office park. Go over to Edina, where they put in that new Five Guys, you could sell a dirty sock wrapped in a tortilla there.
In today’s world, if you aren’t looking to be a millionaire by starting a 100 stores in a year you are never going to turn enough profit to “buy” another store. And if you fail large scale there is always bankruptcy, then start out with another idea and a whole new fleet of contractors to work with…. because you put all the other ones out of business.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Something does not pass the smell test here.
17 locations in Minnesota
233 locations by some determination
Those are very specific numbers for a company that franchises. This sounds more like a marketing blast intended to get potential franchisees excited about dropping 1.5 to 2 million down per store than it does a real plan to actually open that specific number of stores.
They have no real control over how many people step up to pay for a new franchise and thus those numbers in the article sound more like a dream scenario than they do any real business plan.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:06 am
I suspect Mr. O’Dowd will build up the company very rapidly, drive the stock/”value” way up, get his golden parachute and walk away. Then crash and burn… just speculation.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am
And why would you disclose plans like this to your competition over a year in advance?
If anything,maybe this will spur BW3 into improving the quality of their food.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:57 am
There’s a place here in the Carolins called Quaker Steak & Lube. It’s a wing and burger place. I’d never heard of it until I was out here. They have about 20 different wing sauces on the menu. The wings are good, crispy, meaty and nicely sauced. The area also has a BW3 and a Hooters. I’m sure at some point there’ll be a Hurricane Grill here too. All in a very small metro area that may be the size of MPLS proper. I’m sure there’s room in the MN market for a few more wing places.
One of the reasons that Krispy Kreme may have failed in MN is the states overall low donut consumption. Almost every state consumes more donuts per capita than MN, even California. Could explain why there isn’t even ONE Dunkin Donuts in the whole state.
October 20th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Quaker Steak was a popular destination for us in college except the nearest one was on the other side of the state. We’d make the pilgrimage once a year. Now they’re all over Ohio and elsewhere (including one near my parents in NEPA).
Yeah, donuts are not popular here at all and people seem to prefer coffee that sucks (god why do people insist on drinking coffee that tastes like burned wood?) whereas everywhere else loves DD.
October 20th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The new “blonde” roast at Starbucks seems to be set to compete with the coffee served at Dunkin Donuts. I’m not sure they’ll make many converts. People love DD. Myself included.
October 20th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
I guess the franchise cost is $247,000-$692,500, so my estimate was off a bit.
It does not look like a concept that I would get too excited about.
October 20th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
I love wings but I am not a fan of national chains. I never go to BW3, sure they have good sauces and a big variety but that’s about it. Local is better :)
PS You always have such cool word press plug-ins…. would you share with me what you use for the thumbs up icons in the comments?? Thanks Bill
October 20th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Kristi: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/comment-rating/
October 20th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Congrats to Tearitup on comment #300!
October 20th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
A year ago, I stopped in at a Quaker Steak & Lube in West Virginia. Seemed like a carbon copy of BWW more or less. Wings weren’t any different.
Dunkin Donuts coffee sucks ass. And as Sank points out, even the donuts aren’t anything unique any more. I love Krispy Kreme donuts, but part of that is because I grew up on them out in the DC area (where they are still in operation). But like Johnny’s, you have to sell a shitload of $1-5 orders to sustain a business, and that traffic just doesn’t exist in Apple Valley or Maple Grove, etc. And their location in the Mall of America, where I think they could have survived/thrived, was horrible — way up on the top floor, tucked next to Marshall’s or something. One of the failures of Krispy Kreme here was thinking that people would consistently go out of their way for them. I think they’d do really well in Target Field, or some other high-traffic location where people are already out of their cars and walking by.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
I dont see where its a bad idea at all. I used to do some work with a corporate guy from Home Depot who was in charge of the building of new Home Depot stores. This was about 10 years ago. He said one of Home Depots big strategies for determining where to open a new store was to look for a Menards and build a store nearby. They figured Menards had done the demographics work and that they could beat Menards head to head.
Seems the same thing may be the case for wings. If I thought I had a decent wing place, it certainly would not bother me to compete with BW3. For the most part the places are on par with Applebees at best. Why not go head to head with them if you think you have a better product and they are already in almost every location you would consider moving into. In addition the guy has ties to MN, and probably lived here if he was with Famous Daves.
October 21st, 2011 at 4:26 am
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October 21st, 2011 at 8:24 am
I always thought Krispy Kreme died from a combination of internal fraud/malfeasance and the sharp onset of the anti-carb movement at the time.
October 21st, 2011 at 8:29 am
Russ, here’s an interesting article which talks about how the rapid expansion (which may have been bolstered by fraud/malfeasance) killed the new (and old) stores: http://www.morebusiness.com/franchise-risks
October 21st, 2011 at 8:32 am
I wanted to thank everyone for the comments – some good and some indifferent. Check out the Hurricane website. Hurricane Grill & Wings is a different concept from anything MN has ever seen. It is not really a “sports-bar” as the target customer ranges in age from 2 to 100. It’s a casual laid-back family type of atmosphere in beach-cafe setting. The ability to put any of the 32 sauces on any of the proteins, makes the menu limitless. 100% fresh- never frozen JUMBO (not medium like the competition) wings, fresh fish (Mahi and Salmon) and shrimp, 100% fresh (never frozen) Certified Black Angus Beef burgers and many other items like pulled pork sliders and fried chicken sliders give the menu something that everyone desires. We are not trying to take over BWW business – we have a different model. We have something different that appeals to everyone. You probably won’t find a pair of 70 year old grandparents with their 7 and 8 year old grandchildren at BWW – but you will at HGW.
I am the area developer for HGW – MN. 17 locations is a base to grow from and will be developed as a minimum over the next 8 years. I hope that over the next 8 years we have more than that in MN. I have developed the twin cities with another brand – ironically that competed with Famous Dave’s and know the area and what MN is lacking. Combined with the history and success of our executive team, HGW is poised to do extremely well in MN and across the nation. I am searching for new franchisee’s of course to help grow the brand and would love to hear from anyone interested. “Lefty” above got the numbers wrong and then close. Its about $300K to $600K depending on the site. That’s an “All-IN” number. The 233 number mentioned is nationwide and that’s not going to be built in the next year. We should be around 100 locations this time next year – now there are 44 with about 10 more opening in the next few months.
When it’s 8 degrees and 2 feet of snow on the ground – wouldn’t it be great to sneak away for a “flavor vacation” where it’s warm and friendly and reminds you of that beach bar you were at this summer? And yes we do have plenty of HD TV’s to watch the game if you want to!
October 21st, 2011 at 8:46 am
From the same paragraph. So all you have to do to be a different model is have bigger wings? Wow, don’t know how BW3 is going to respond to that challenge.
I am not saying that this concept could not do just fine around here given all the other ordinary boring shitholes that survive and thrive in this marketplace. I just don’t see anything about it (and I spent some time on the website yesterday) that differentiates in one iota from anything else around here. Maybe the food is good, but I don’t see much to make me think so. In particular, what is so good about “Certified Angus Beef”? The answer, nothing…but dumb people read that and assume high quality. It tastes no different than any other Sysco beef option.
It is a shame that places that focus on marketing first and food second do better than the opposite.
October 21st, 2011 at 8:48 am
The photo attached to Mr Petska’s post is certainly NOT a $600K “all-in” franchise spot. The photo represents a 7 figure investment, minimum. A mid 6 figure investment would be a end-site at a strip mall. That photo represents a destination, stand alone, new-build site. A bit disingenuous I would say.
I’m still skeptical.
October 21st, 2011 at 8:50 am
I’ve been looking to take a flavor vacation.
October 21st, 2011 at 8:58 am
C&V. I think that is a strip mall actually. There is a photo from a different angle on their website of what looks to be the same store.
October 21st, 2011 at 9:10 am
Here’s what a new ($600,000?) site looks like.
October 21st, 2011 at 9:33 am
The photo on my post is a 3200 sf end cap on a strip center – cost was around 550K. The photo above is in Fleming Island Fla – started at 2700sf – expanding by taking the space next to it to get to 3600sf and cost around 450K. The pic doesn’t really do this one justice because it’s in a planned development and it’s really nice.
Our menu is “food-centric” and yes fresh never frozen does mean something. I would hope that it disseminates a level of commitment to food quality for the customer. The product has not been sitting in a freezer for months – it’s fresh! Look what that did for Wendy’s.
We do have a different model. BWW targets younger crowds. I am not sure of their exact demo, but every time I go, it’s always 20 and 30 year olds drinking pitchers of beer. I am not in any way bashing BWW and what they have. They are great and have wonderful people running the company and offer a product that appeals to their audience and are successful. Their numbers came out yesterday and they should be proud!
We are just more family oriented with a laid back atmosphere and I think the menu is better because of the diversity.
The photo below is an endcap as well.
Thanks again for the comments and I hope to have all of you come in and see us when we get open!
October 21st, 2011 at 9:39 am
I have edited the post above to add “Thanks again for the comments and I hope to have all of you come in and see us when we get open!” which appeared in another comment of Tom’s which included one line and another photo of Hurrican Grill and Wings’ food.
I dropped the ad-stock and merged the comment text together. Enjoy.
October 21st, 2011 at 9:54 am
They don’t appear to serve pitchers at the BW3s here in MSP and the demographics of our area concentrate on the ~30 year old crowd. I’m guessing that depending on where you are located in Georgia it’s probably the same way. However, BW3 does attract, by simple fact of the demographics including families here, a crowd which includes kids (we bring our 1.5+ year old too).
October 21st, 2011 at 10:02 am
In high school when BW3 first opened in AV, it was a huge hit amongst my friends and other HS’ers. Back then they had a Culver’s-like service model where you ordered your food at the front counter and took a buzzer back to your table with you. I liked that model way better than the current sit down and order from the waiter style.
Tom, which model do you guys run in your restaurants?
October 21st, 2011 at 10:03 am
Tom, so you’re telling us the location on your website (corporate owned?) was opened for $550,000? I sincerely doubt it.
October 21st, 2011 at 10:17 am
I am looking forward to having one of these places around. I used to love Bw3, a decade ago. I think they have seriously lowered quality as they grew and expanded, which I guess happens with all chains.
I hope this place is decent. Put one in the empty space across the street fron Nicollet Commons park in the HOC in Burnsville please.
October 21st, 2011 at 10:25 am
Chad, how is this place going to be any different when they expand to 200+ locations?
October 21st, 2011 at 11:05 am
But, to be fair, “Certified Black Angus Beef burgers” is a slick and deceptive marketing tactic. It means very little when considering the actual quality of the beef, even more meaningless when you’re talking about ground beef. Even Wagyu or genuine Japanese Kobe cattle have lips and assholes and slaughterhouse scraps.
I’m not saying Hurricane Grill & Wings is going to suck, but don’t fall for the same marketing that’s duping people into buying a McDonalds “Angus Burger” which tastes as bad as their regular burgers, but is bigger and a lot more expensive.
And FWIW, “I have developed the twin cities with another brand – ironically that competed with Famous Dave’s and know the area and what MN is lacking” is referring to his launch of Dickey’s all over the place.
October 21st, 2011 at 11:41 am
I am wondering, are there any “National Chains” that started out as a wonderful single entity and then learned how to be a chain without losing the appeal of #1?
I would have said Oceanairre a few years ago, but not anymore.
Fogo might fit that bill, but the scope of the project make me think it never was a wonder single entity.
Never been to Capital Grill, or Ruth Christ’s, so maybe they fall into that category. All four of those places are very expensive as well.
I am sort of being serious. I can’t think of an economical place that has done that.
October 21st, 2011 at 11:42 am
Ruth’s Chris is trash.
October 21st, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Hitting Wise Acre tonight for a special occasion. No Ruth’s Chris or chain crap for me tonight!
October 21st, 2011 at 4:09 pm
I do have to say that Manny’s is in my top 2 steakhouses in the country – but you have to be hungry to eat a bone-in ribeye the size of a small child! I agree about Oceanaire as well – used to be great but last time there, meal went back twice and then got something different.
C&V – I’ll find out the cost for sure and let you know. At the end of the day – we are doing conversions and 1st gen space – we are flexible on footprint and layout which saves a lot of $$. We really are building in the 300K to 600K range. I wish I could explain more.
Everyone is far off on the conversation about the beef. It’s fresh never frozen. McD’s taste like it does because it comes frozen from some warehouse likely in CA and trucked all over. You are right – it doesn’t matter if its angus or not. Just like the “Chilean Sea Bass” – google this “patagonian toothfish” (it is not pretty) and you can see what marketing does for a food product. Chilean Sea Bass was a “by-catch” and given away to the homeless/needy as a trash fish – until some brainiac came up with what could be the best marketing since the Happy Meal to sell the USA a fish that they wouldn’t eat themselves.
Either way, the food is great how ever you look at it. The atmosphere is light, fun and laid back. I noticed that nobody was commenting on the “JUMBO” wings?
I hope you will give us a shot when we get open!
October 21st, 2011 at 4:22 pm
I’ll give it a shot.
Speaking of shots, how do they make chicken wings get that big?
October 21st, 2011 at 4:30 pm
C&V – I just confirmed with corporate that the location pictured was built for right at $500K – All In
Here’s an iside shot for you too.
October 21st, 2011 at 4:49 pm
OK, Tom, I’ll take your word for it. Thanks. I must say, the exterior looks great, the interior, not so much. But if/when there’s a location reasonably near I’ll give it a go.
October 21st, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Then stop saying “Certified Black Angus Beef burgers” when promoting your restaurant on sites like this.
While we’re talking fish, please don’t pretend the term “fresh fish” has any meaning either. Every piece of restaurant fish in the State of Minnesota is required to have been frozen with very, very few exceptions (“mahi and salmon” are not in those exceptions). For the uninitiated, this even applies to sashimi/sushi.
THE SAME FLASH FREEZING PROCESS McDonalds hamburger patty providers use is very likely the process used to freeze the “mahi and salmon” you are serving in your Hurricane Grill & Wings restaurants.
And McDonalds hamburgers are from Lopez Foods mostly, “trucked” from Oklahoma, not California.
Can we just stick to the relevant facts?
October 21st, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Yum wings. BWW service tends to suck, especially at the AV location. That’s an opportunity right there. Beat em with better service and bigger wings, doesn’t matter if there isn’t much of a difference other than that.
October 21st, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Patrick S:
The show Bar Rescue on SPIKE TV (I’ll assume you don’t have cable) is one of those “Business Reality” shows much like Hell’s Kitchen on Fox in which they come in and try to turn around a struggling bar/restaurant by banging the struggling staff’s/owners heads together to get them up to par and remodeling the place.
Anyway, on one of the episodes they brought in some sort of fancy fryer designed expressly for wings. IIRC it had a lid on it rather than the traditional open fryers used at most places and somehow cooking wings/drummies this way made them plump up.
BTW if you have cable check that show out, you should see some of the pig holes these places are before the makeover. Especially in the kitchen areas! One show showed a live mouse in one of the storage bins!
Kind of scary if you think about it since the restaurants featured are all mom & pop operations that everyone seems to like here.
October 21st, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Live mouse is nothing: http://www.lazylightning.org/most-unsanitary-restaurant-ever-in-st-paul-remains-open
October 21st, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Sorry, Nurd. I was making a [bad] attempt at steroid humor.
October 22nd, 2011 at 6:58 am
NP Patrick S
October 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 am
The jumbo wings are all natural and hormone free. They way they make them jumbo is to let the chicken grow bigger naturally.
When you freeze wings (or anything), it breaks down the cell structure in the meat because ice swells when it becomes frozen. This breaks down the cells and makes the meat texture “mealy”.
We really take pride in our food, which is the main difference is between us and BWW. They have a great business, but we see their business as a bar-focused. We are food focused. We have everything a sports lover looks for, such as big screen HD monitors, a great selection of craft beers and even a full liquor bar.
As Tom stated, we make our restaurants comfortable for families, and we concentrate on the food and the flavors.
We look forward to seeing you in our locations.
October 22nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm
You are wrong. Flash freezing, or blast freezing does not do this.
October 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Congrats to MSPD on comment #1500.
October 23rd, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Crap. I was hoping to do something fun with my 1,500th post and I wasted it on that. Screw you Hurricane Grill & Wings.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
I have to agree with The Wife. BW3 has lousy service and the food is not that good. Regardless of all this other noise, I dont see BW3 as the reason this place suceeds or fails. If they have decent food, hit the right price point, and have a good happy hour, they will be packed.
It still saddens me to go into some of the local places around town and they aer nearly empty at 6:00 on a Friday or Saturday night, but Chillis has a 20 or 30 minute wait. FWIW this place will probably do better if they just advertise that they are a chain selling cheap beer and reheated food just like all the other chains in town. Dont waist time trying to promote good food.
October 27th, 2011 at 9:25 am
I’m surprised no one in this thread has noted something critically important: the people working for Hurricane Grill actually identified themselves! No astroturfing! I know, it should be expected, but based on past experience, it’s not, and I always like seeing people put themselves out there to address questions in public, especially with people who are intensely opinionated about the subject.
I think there are some people here who will never be happy with a chain experience and are automatically negative about it. Personally, I’m with The Wife. I’m not a BW3 fan and if someone can give me a better experience, I’m all in. I plan to give this place a try when they come to town.
October 28th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Joey said what I meant, better than I said it.
February 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 am
From: http://feeds.minnpost.com/~r/minnpost/~3/-jHM6WIjgfo/mitt_romneys_eagan_visit
No, it’s not exciting. Their wings suck: http://www.lazylightning.org/hurricane-grill-wings-scranton-pa
May 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Hurricane Grill and Wings coming to former Hooters in Burnsville.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Perfect location being that Hooters sucked and so does Hurricane Grill and Wings.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Source? When? Are they that much worse than BW3?
May 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
http://www.lazylightning.org/hurricane-grill-wings-scranton-pa
May 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Yeah, if shitty wings and boobs can’t fill the bill, how in the hell are shitty wings and no boobs going to do the trick? It’s a double negative (get it?)
May 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Here’s your source.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Never mind. October 1st 2012.
May 10th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Their store locator lists the address as well:
May 10th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
So you rate BW3 ahead of this?
Ouch
May 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Far and above what we had at Hurricane Grill & Wings. While BW3 isn’t anything special at all, their wings have distinctive flavors. HG&W simply tasted syrupy and bland.
May 17th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
So I assume they are going into the former Timberlodge? I thought I saw a sign for a “Halal Market” going into the Hooters..
May 17th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
I don’t remember which one is getting the wing place but you’re right, there is a Halal Market over there now.
May 18th, 2012 at 8:25 am
I live a mile from here and it’s definitely the old Hooters that’s going to be Hurricane Grill. Halal Market is in a building that used to have a parrot on the sign (no idea what the business was) between the old Hooters and Timberlodge. The old Timberlodge remains vacant.
August 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I saw a “Coming Soon” sign on the Timberlodge location. It was a pretty generic name if I remember correctly, I don’t think it was “The Burnsville Grill” or something like that but it was not a chain that I know of.
If I drive by again I’ll try to remember to look again
August 28th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
The website for the burnsville location says opening October 1st, 2012.
August 28th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Semi Related.. in the old Denny’s on Highway 13 and Cliff that was the “Asian Buffet” for 6 months or so.. they are remodeling and turning it into a Steak Restaurant called “Steak America”.. I think.. just a simple Google search didn’t turn up anything.
August 29th, 2012 at 7:02 am
[...] two readers (Nancy and Bill Yrock) noticed a new restaurant going into the old Denny’s space at the corner of MN-13 and Cliff [...]
August 31st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
As someone noted in the “Tawakal” thread… the name of the restaurant going into the old Timberlodge is “The Rack Bar & Grill”.. sounds.. boring.. lol..
October 28th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I tried it yesterday. Unimpressed. Not terrible, not good. Main points:
1. I ordered a rare burger, was told they couldn’t do any better than medium-rare, then got a burger that was close to rare than not anyway. Strange. The burger was fine, but the Hurricane BBQ sauce on the burger…
2. Sauces were disappointing to say the least. Between the burger and wings I tried 4: Hurricane BBQ, honey BBQ, raspberry, and teriyaki. None of them were good. Really. I didn’t choose all of them and didn’t expect to like a couple, but I’ve never had straight up BBQ sauce and honey BBQ and disliked it, and I really didn’t like either one.
3. Wings were okay. I’ve had better at Buffalo Wild Wings and I’ve had worse there. Some were even good, most were mediocre, a few didn’t have much meat on them. Not that different from what I would have expected, though I’d love to see something better that really impressed me.
Overall, I was just underwhelmed. It wasn’t terrible and I was definitely happy that the burger was cooked much better than most places around here cook a burger. But the sauces were so disappointing and the wings were a bit steep ($10.99 for 10 wings).
I’d go back if some guys wanted a place to watch a game just to give it another chance since it’s so close to home, but at this point it’s not a place I’d choose.