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According to this Dakota County Criminal Complaint, an Apple Valley man was charged with terroristic threats when he repeatedly brandished a knife and threatened to ‘get’ him. Thankfully for the victim he was carrying a gun on his person at the time. It may be surprising to some that in Minnesota the law is not a concealed weapon carry permit, it’s simply a carry permit and thus there is absolutely no reason you must conceal your weapon on your person and thus alerting a potential criminal that you’re armed is not necessary.
From the complaint:
On July 5, 2012, Lakeville police responded to the area of 205th Street and Jupiter Avenue, Lakeville, Dakota County, Minnesota, on a report of an assault and threats being made. Officers spoke to MF who reported that he went to the location where he believed his son, TF was consuming alcohol. MF reported that he went to the address on Jupiter Avenue and observed the front door to be wide open. MF knocked on the door and was met there by two young men. MF stated that one of the men was attempting to pick a fight with him. MF stated that he saw the male running from the back of the house holding a knife. MF reported that the male, later identified as Jakob Joseph Gelbach, was screaming threats and running towards him. MF stated that he showed Gelbach that he had a gun in the hopes that it would prevent a knife attack. MF stated that he left the area and drove to the intersection of 205th and Jupiter to call the police.
MF reported that Gelbach drove by in a gold Mazda 626 and yelled “I’m gonna get you!” and then sped off. MF stated that Gelbach then made a u-turn and came back to the intersection at a high rate of speed. MF stated that he believed that Gelbach was going to t-bone his car. MF stated that he jumped into his car and that Gelbach stopped and waved a knife out of the window at MF making threats.
Are you surprised that after brandishing his gun, the victim still received another threat? What about your feelings on the carry permit in Minnesota not requiring an individual to conceal their weapon? Have you ever seen anyone openly carrying a firearm (aside from hunting)? If someone was threatening you with a knife would you pull out your weapon in an attempt to stop the altercation or do you think that might escalate the situation further? Following the recent gun control/violence issues in our country has your opinion on carrying weapons in Minnesota changed? Do you plan to buy a weapon and/or get a carry permit now or do you think the law should be changed? Whatever you have to say about this one go ahead and comment on as I’d love to hear your thoughts.
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January 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
My take on gun control… it will never work.
Violence won’t stop because people can’t purchase assault rifles. Violence won’t stop because people can’t buy clips that hold more than ten rounds. Violence won’t stop if you have have extensive psychiatric screenings before you can purchase a gun.
The most horrific act ever carried out at an elementary school in America happened in Bath, Michigan in 1927… without guns.
I heard a statistic that almost 300,000 guns were purchased in America on Black Friday in 2012. There is another figure I heard recently that claims there are around 350,000,000 guns in the USA. How do you control that?
For the record, I am not a gun owner. My gun experience is limited to taking a few shots with a .22 rifle at Boy Scout camp.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
I’m guessing alcohol involved or a relationship where the knife brandish-er had no reason to fear for his life from the gun owner or both.
I’ve followed the carry legislation and plan to get a permit with my sons next year. It drove me nuts in the old days when people would call it a 2400 baud modem when it was a 2400bps modem (using 1200baud and special encoding to achieve …blah..blah.techie blah). So yeah, I always cringe when I see our news media call it a conceal and carry permit. Prior to the Minnesota personal Protection act, Minnesota could issue a Conceal and carry permit. That is no longer needed.
Most folks who carry do so concealed mostly because if police get a call about a guy or gal with a gun, they’ll have to roll out and investigate. So they stop you and then check your permit and then tell you they would rather you conceal and then you carry on. It just ends up wasting your time.
Some say to conceal allows you to keep surprise on your side in an altercation and open carry leaves you as a target. Some say open carry is your GD right, so use it or loose it, as well as can act as a deterrent.
I’ve seen a couple folks open carry at Menards and Northern tool. Otherwise I just notice cops carrying.
If I had a gun, and someone approached me with a knife, I wouldn’t probably show the gun, but I’d inform them that I’m armed with a gun and they need to back up and allow me to leave the area. I wouldn’t draw my gun until I plan to use it. I don’t think pointing out I have a gun on my hip, is necessarily brandishing it or going to escalate anything, but I think you do better to keep the person listening to you as you command them to act, vs taking their attention away to something shiny on your hip. Of course it depends. if the guy starts getting closer, the gun could come out quick. A man with a knife within 10 feet of you can kill you faster than you can say ouch and typically faster than you can draw your firearm.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:20 am
I own weapons already, none of which can be concealed or carried on my person easily. Quite frankly, none of the activities of recent weeks have made me consider purchasing more, nor have they made me desire a permit to carry. So no, I will not be pursuing either of those activities.
As far as if I were packing, I think I would think rather carefully about actually showing a weapon. In this case, it clearly didn’t fully diffuse the situation. Then again, not showing the gun may not have made any difference.
January 18th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
all lying and joking aside, think of a few things before you start carrying a weapon.
put your emotions aside. someone cuts you off or takes your parking spot, hey chill.
you can un conceal (or wear your weapon for the world to see), however, you may be inviting too much unwanted attention to yourself. either mr or mrs far left liberal panic fone call to 911, or mr bad guy wanting to take your .45 when you get out of your car.
if you brandish your arm? who are you going to scare?? maybe another hesitation and mr bad guy gets your weapon. hello??
if you ‘pull’ your arm, you’d better be prepared to use it.
and before all this takes place, you may want to have a criminal defense attorney on retainer.
end lying and joking!
and in lefty’s case,
hey, is that a .44 super blackhawk, or you glad to see me:) :)
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